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Travis Talks's avatar

Many people who advance particular views have not thought through the entailments of those views, so it’s fine to argue against those views by pointing out their entailments. The arguments you present against error theory and subjectivism aren’t bad because they’re question-begging, they’re bad because they rely on normative entanglement.

All of the force of your objections come from misleadingly implying that anti-realist views are saddled with unsavory normative implications that they aren’t.

Once we get clear on what people who affirm these positions are actually committed to, your objections are left with no bite.

You say “error theory posits there is nothing morally wrong with genocide”. On error theoretic semantics, to say “there is nothing wrong with genocide” is affirm the following proposition: There is no stance-independent non-natural moral fact that genocide is immoral.

This is a proposition that the majority of philosophers and meta-ethicists affirm. According to the PhilPapers survey, just 27% of philosophers and 37% of meta-ethicists are non-naturalists.

https://survey2020.philpeople.org/survey/results/5078

So if you want to say that this is an “absurd and unacceptable result,” you’re also committed to saying that the majority of philosophers and meta-ethicists affirm an absurd and unacceptable result.

Now you’re free to say that - I don’t think the fact that a position is held by a majority of philosophers immunizes it from accusations of absurdity, but I just want to be clear on what you’re committed to.

With respect to subjectivism, you say that it “cannot provide the grounds to legitimately criticise those with coherent sets of preferences/beliefs (no matter how vulgar)” and that it entails that “someone doesn’t have to rescue a drowning child if they don’t care to.”

Subjectivism does not entail that we have an obligation to refrain from criticizing other people’s preferences nor that is permissible for someone to refrain from saving a drowning child if they don’t care to.

The way you write about subjectivism, it is as if you think it is a normative ethical theory that says X is right as long as someone approves of it. But this is not what subjectivism is. It’s a meta-ethical theory that says when people say “X is right” they just mean “I approve of X”.

A subjectivist can consistently affirm the proposition “It is morally obligatory to save a drowning child even if you have no desire to” without contradiction - on speaker subjectivist semantics, this would just amount to affirming the following proposition: I disapprove of refraining from saving a drown child even if you have no desire to.

The criticisms you lob at subjectivism would at best only apply to agent subjectivism, not appraiser subjectivism. See this from the SEP on the distinction:

“Appraiser relativism suggests that we do or should make moral judgments on the basis of our own standards, while agent relativism implies that the relevant standards are those of the persons we are judging (of course, in some cases these may coincide). Appraiser relativism is the more common position, and it will usually be assumed in the discussion that follows.”

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/moral-relativism/

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Simon Furst's avatar

I'm not a philosopher, but I think there is salient distinction between the arguments against deontology or the golden rule and the argument against non-realism which you gloss over.

Non realism is descriptive while the others are prescriptive. A descriptive position succeeds based on its merit at addressing the definitions of the topic at hand, and no counterexample can succeed to uproot this in principle. A prescriptive position, on the other hand, is an attempt to reveal the underlying principle of many already agreed upon conclusions in order to extrapolate from there to other conclusions, and the second we can point to a counterexample of a conclusion that would follow that is not agreed upon, that works to demonstrate that this attempt fails at revealing the underlying criteria.

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