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Jon Rogers's avatar

There’s similar aspects here to Tom Regan’s argument against killing animals in The Case For Animal Rights.

Here’s a quote from the summary of chapter three:

“When we recognize that harms can take the form of deprivations, we are able to understand why death is a harm, when it is. Death is the ultimate, the irreversible harm because death is the ultimate, the irreversible loss, foreclosing every opportunity to find any satisfaction. This is true whether death is slow and agonizing or quick and painless. Though there are some fates worse than death, an untimely death is not in the interests of its victims, whether human or animal, independently of whether they understand their own mortality, and thus independently of whether they themselves have a desire to continue to live. Though young children, like animals of comparable mental development, arguably lack any conception of their long-term welfare, lack the ability to formulate categorical desires, and lack any sense of their own mortality, the untimely death of either is a harm. To attempt to avoid this finding by requiring that death must be ‘tragic’ in order to be a harm or misfortune, is to distort rather than to illuminate when and why death is the harm or misfortune that it is. Moreover, because the harm that an untimely death, viewed as a loss, is for any given individual is independent of the pain involved in dying, the ethical questions concerning, for example, the slaughter of animals for food and their use in science are not limited to how ‘humane’ are the methods used to kill them. When these questions are examined, the ethics of causing animals an untimely death must also be considered.”

It’s a shame more people don’t read Regan’s work.

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Joshua Kemmerling's avatar

My tendency these days, is to think about animal treatment as a contract with a non-culpable party. Like having a child sign.

The only way it can be ethical is if the contract is, beyond all reasonable doubt, leaning towards their favour. In other words, if they were capable, they would sign.

E.g. would a chicken, raised in the woods, being treated fairly and without cruelty, with no males being killed (e.g. rescue chickens) as part of the economical incentive of their being there, be providing ethical eggs?

I would say yes. (This is me trying to justify how it may be possible to eat eggs after years of veganism, make of that what you will).

Another example, leaning more heavily on the "loss through deprivation of life span" would be a killing towards end of life during extreme senescence caused pain. Any benefit (meat / leather) derived thereafter would also be ethical.

I've tried for years of being vegan to justify not being vegan and these are the only kinds of "clean" options I can come up with. Certainly far away from the bulk of consumption practices...

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